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I really, really appreciated the point that "the congregation must be willing to suffer through bad sermons, for their own benefit, because it forces them to engage in Scripture deeply, even when the delivery is clunky...". Something I only started to realize since joining LIFT is that so long as a sermon is soundly based in the Bible, it should still challenge, encourage, or convict, etc. me. I've come to the conclusion that if I feel like I didn't "get" anything out of the sermon, it's probably a me issue and not an issue with the preacher. The point you made was reminded me that it's not a lecture to consume - I also have to be willing to properly engage with the Word and I can't be content to be spoon-fed from a pulpit. That actually happened recently, although I have not yet re-listened to the sermon...

How *do* you get those reps in as a preacher? Something our simple church tried in the summer once was having our missionaries/leaders teach on a specific topic (e.g. godly reflection, serving with excellence, etc.) to try building aspects of preaching in a smaller environment with the guys that we've established depth of relationship with.

I'm curious to hear more of your thoughts on that dynamic between the home-grown preacher (someone who "sits on the pews" just like everyone else) and the congregation, especially in the context of serving, that "celebrity status" (i.e. everyone knowing the preacher, but the preacher not necessarily knowing everyone that knows them), and how to engage with "fumbling" the responsibility to shepherd.

Leading worship is the background for the "celebrity status" point - I feel like it's easy to think that leading in worship - and, similarly, preaching - is different from serving in some other way like setting up chairs or starting up conversations with people who are sitting by themselves. I suppose highlighting the whole "one body, many parts" is critical, and also one more reason why it's so important not only for everyone to be serving in some capacity, but to find joy in serving fueled out of a love for God.

Maybe not as relevant... how do we model/apply God's perfect system in our imperfect situation, especially when we do fumble our responsibilities? Is there a difference between a spiritual fumble (e.g. "I didn't pray enough about this sermon, worship set, evangelism opportunity") and a technical fumble (e.g. "This is my first sermon, first time on guitar for worship, first time having Gospel-focused conversations")? Were those examples even distinguishing from spiritual vs technical fumbles or were they actually distinguishing between "things I could have done to prepare but chose not to do" and "things I had no control over"

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